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#41 Phidaissi

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 17:15

View PostKing Sparky V, on Sep 13 2007, 16:47, said:

My e-penis has already broken several world records. SoV are relentlessly trying to prune all existance of me, why not the biggest reminder of them all?
Though I can't comment on your posts being removed from the forums (because I don't know the full situation, I have not been active enough to be involved in moderation) I make the time to deal with legal issues for SoV.
Either way, it had been my intention for quite some time to add a credits section to the website (as a sub-section of an extended copyright and fair use section) which would list as many artists and contributors as we know the source for. Regardless of your relationship with SoV, your actions, or anger from either side, if the image is still in use your name WILL appear on that page. I am honest with such matters and no one would have attribution taken away.

To be honest, I've always liked your art work and would gladly accept anything you did for us. I would also respect the wishes of any artist that didn't want us to use their work for honest reasons.

Childishness designed to inconvienience or intimidate isn't what encourages me to maintain the friendly and co-operative nature I try to uphold, and is why I am staying firm on this point.
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Posted 13 September 2007 - 21:35

Why are people wasting their time arguing about this when there's so many other, more useful things, they could be doing?

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 00:02

My initial post was NOT intended to spark any kind of debate, nor put anyone on the defensive regarding their position on this issue. Instead, it was to simply highlight some of the potential arguments/cross-examinations that could be used in a court of law. I will state again that NOBODY can be certain that they would win any legal proceedings regarding this matter, and that is before you factor in the inconsistent & downright mind-boggling decisions that Judges often reach.

As much as the mock trial enthusiast in me wishes to continue debating, my stance on this matter forbids it.

You're all being silly, follow my three suggestions and let's all move on!

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 00:03

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 02:34

Nice swipe, Mj, but it was poor form. I had already stated I'd allow Sparky to keep an account to continue this discussion, but after that he would lose it (and subsequently you will lose your account as well). In no way would I have prematurely removed access. Sparky has already gone outside of this discussion and did exactly what he was banned for (which was immaturely flame another forum member for no reason).

Sparky, your ego is seriously encroaching Mj's. Please deflate it to avoid open war.

The IM who are banned were banned for constantly flaming, starting drama, and being a negative force on our forums with the intents to cause trouble. No form of punishment hindered the actions, therefore banning was the only logical outcome. Anyone circumventing bans will lose the new accounts. I find it sad that anyone would need to get around a ban on a forum that's intended to be used by a guild they aren't a member in.

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 03:29

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Sparky, your ego is seriously encroaching Mj's. Please deflate it to avoid open war.

We are at war...

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 03:51

Not really, it was a joke.
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Posted 14 September 2007 - 04:02

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avoid open war.
Isn't that what SoV is currently doing?  :rolleyes:

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Not really, it was a joke.
That answers my question above. SoV giving the same insipid excuse that Minkor did to avoid being smacked around WoS by Tina & Avalon.

There's no point you non-Nok SoV even posting on this topic trying to talk *****, we already know how stupid you are! ;)

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 04:04

Uh-huh.

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 05:37

I am honestly astounded that Mj failed to comprehend my statement. I mean, it's not Tolkien.

Let's avoid being flaming.

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 01:18

I SAID! Boom snap clap bah boom snap clap snap, boom snap clap bah boom BOM BOM BOM

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 04:17

Don't spam this topic either, Par. :P

It seems that both Sparky and Mj no longer have anything to say regarding the discussion at hand. So they'll be losing access this weekend.

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 07:31

If you ban sparky ill ban you >_<
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Posted 15 September 2007 - 09:27

He acted wrongly and was told his behavior was not welcome and he continued it. His actions after the ban only further proved that the ban was justified.

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 03:36

:( y cant I spam dis topik?

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 04:33

Because this forum is a no spam zone.
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 04:05

Well it should be.
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 14:26

I know that, noob.

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 16:32

Seriously lets lead a rebellion against the kais!
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 18:34

You're more likely to have sanctions of some kind engaged against you. :lol:

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 01:38

I don't want to hand out punishments for spamming.

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 02:06

Final warning, anyone found spamming this forum will earn themselves a ban.

If it's not on topic then it is spam.
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 16:13

Curiosity abounds, how much different are Aussie laws regarding this issue from American ones?
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 05:16

View PostKensai, on Sep 21 2007, 16:13, said:

Curiosity abounds, how much different are Aussie laws regarding this issue from American ones?
Under American law the employer has more rights. One of the reasons for an explicit relinquishing of ownership by SoV is to ensure that any berne signed courts will regard this identically.

The difference with Australian law would only come from cases on natural justices (and similar) which would only likely apply cases of severe misuse of guild content.

The finer points of copyright law however (where ownership is not explicit) is different.
In America for example you cannot claim punitive damages from infringement unless the work was registered (Silly American law makers, you abuse the Berne Convention!) before the infringement or within three months of creation.
Under Australian law, IP ownership can be retain by employees in cases of non-payment or contractual violations as well etc, whilst under American law I do not believe that is the case.

To put it simply, Australian laws are much fairer in this sort of deal, and easier to understand.
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 08:27

Okay, you'd have to give permission for it be allowed right? I mean say you made some buttons, showed them to someone. and then they asked for permission to use them, you said you'd think about it and if you agreed you'd give them the file, but then they just edit the preview you gave them and use it anyway... i mean, you never gave permission, so its still yours and not SoV's aye?

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:22

But it's on the SoV website.

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 20:34

If you don't give permission, they've just stolen it right?

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 21:47

In general: If it was ever published on other SoV material it falls under the licence.

It's a condition of guild use that such licence be used to prevent content hostage situations.
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Posted 25 September 2007 - 13:33

I feel this situation can be compared to holding someone hostage. You are unwillingly keeping something that shouldn't be kept. Why is that?

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 16:25

View PostParsaw, on Sep 25 2007, 13:33, said:

I feel this situation can be compared to holding someone hostage. You are unwillingly keeping something that shouldn't be kept. Why is that?
I feel you don't understand anything about the situation.

The reason we require this sort of setup (and the reason it's the default legal position in almost every country) is to prevent people randomly deciding to tell us they demand we remove something, then leaving us with nothing in place.

Situation:
Say five people come to us and say, "We can do work on xxx for you". We select one and use it, the other four are not used because we already have one. Then the person that did that work says, "hah, take it down now because I don't want you using it any more."
Then we have NOTHING, and each time it happens the people involved feel like they're being screwed around more.

If we do not take this stance it would allow people to hostage content against us; "If you don't allow me to do xxx I will remove content yyy from the site" etc.

There's a REASON that virtually every site on the internet has a clause similar to this, that every employer and company has this clause, and why it's the default ruling in virtually every country.
To add to that, we actually give back almost all the rights to the members, which almost every site/company/employer does NOT do.
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Posted 26 September 2007 - 10:09

The point is, if IM would have taken it upon themselves to respectfully ask F'nok to take it down, I know he would have. Nobody in SoV likes to be treated disrespectfully, and nobody in SoV likes to be ordered around rudely. I think you have a far greater chance of getting your banner back if you make an apology for the crude request.
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Posted 26 September 2007 - 12:23

Thank you for that summary, Dustin.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 14:31

View PostSucker Punch, on Sep 26 2007, 10:09, said:

The point is, if IM would have taken it upon themselves to respectfully ask F'nok to take it down, I know he would have. Nobody in SoV likes to be treated disrespectfully, and nobody in SoV likes to be ordered around rudely. I think you have a far greater chance of getting your banner back if you make an apology for the crude request.
I wouldn't blame IM for this, Mj knows I would have done as you suggest because I've done it for him before.

It was only two people from IM, so those two alone should be at fault.
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Posted 26 September 2007 - 14:36

It could go to be a general warning, but obviously only 2 people were actually trying to "bully" for lack of a better word.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 22:53

Ah, I see. I better understand now.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 20:20

View PostParsaw, on Sep 26 2007, 22:53, said:

Ah, I see. I better understand now.
Any others questions are welcome, I try to make sure everyone understands so there cannot be arguments. :)
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:02

Ah, the good ole days of wall O text politics.
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:08

Aren't those the best?
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:41

It made for an interesting read. An hour long read. Though quite interesting.
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:47

Best pass time activity?
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